[I got behind on the comments (I've had to focus on the car purchase process, doubly so since there is so much more to learn this time) so I'll publish the "Featured Comments" to the EV post here. The comments are out of order; they're usually in some semblance of the order in which they came in. "Featured Comments" is meant to be a sampling. The remainder of the comments will appear underneath the original post (below this one) as usual (they're all posted now). Sorry for the delay. It's been a wild week, and very full. In honor of the subject, commenter names in an appropriate color. —Mike]
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Now: EV = Electric Vehicle
15 years ago: EV = Electronic Viewfinder
65 years ago: EV = Exposure Value
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R. Edelman: "Mike, you got a fantastic deal on the Ariya. You deserve it! I have a friend who owns one. They are very nice vehicles. I believe they are made in Japan, which means good quality. I own a [Nissan] Leaf, which has been reliable, and dealer service has always been good. If you plan to travel with it, streamline payments by signing up with one or more of the charging networks that are available. I think that you will be quite happy with it. Enjoy!"
AN: Agree. I’ll just add two points: 1.) There are already more EV chargers up and down those highways than most people think (chargers are found via apps, not signs or billboards). 2.) Once you get used to the different paradigm, it’s often possible to charge while running errands or traveling (e.g. the car charges while you shop, or eat lunch, or do whatever it is you plan to do other than driving that day). I’ve been traveling for the past five days, and I’ve only waited for a charge once, for about 15 minutes. Otherwise all charging has taken place while doing something else that I needed or wanted to do anyway."
William Giokas: "Good luck with your new EV. The Winter will be the test on how well your new EV will perform. Your range will drop and effect how many long-range trips you can make in the Winter."
Fons (partial comment): "We take our Tesla on long distance trips. We have gone from the home base in The Netherlands all the way to the south of Spain, north to Norway, and east to Montenegro. On those trips, we need to spend a bit of time at the superchargers, of course. On average, we have to take a 30-min. break every 2.5 hours. So we can supercharge 24 times, and still spend less time at the fuel station than if we would go with one of our old cars. Most of the time we combine our charging stops with a nice break to get something to eat or drink. Or you can just go for a little walk. Or in case you do not want any of those things, you can just play a game or watch a movie on the onboard entertainment system.
"On longevity of the battery: our car nears 10 years, and its range has reduced by 15 km in the last five years, or less than 5%. Longevity of the tires is something else altogether.
"Side note, we actually kept our Mazda MX5 for a few months after switching to the electric. Although it was a fantastic car, and heaps of fun to drive, it never left the garage after the Tesla arrived. But with all of these things, YMMV."
Carlos Pessoa: "You make a great point about how EVs require a shift in how we think about refueling. But I believe their usefulness depends heavily on whether you can actually charge at home. Take my case, for example: I live in an older apartment building where installing an EV charger in my parking spot—or anywhere in the garage, for that matter—isn’t allowed. And that’s not unusual; it’s actually the norm where I live. So for people like me, range anxiety (loved that term, by the way) would be a daily reality, not just a theoretical worry. In that sense, EVs absolutely have a place—but I think the use case is narrower than many assume, especially for those of us without access to home charging."
Daniele (partial comment): "The biggest problem I see is too much powerful interests touched by this. Energy model change does not come easy, as is blatantly obvious these days on so many fronts. I went through the phase you're in now (let's call it obsession?) when the first Leaf and Zoe were out; four years ago, I finally got a Peugeot e-208 with a real range of about 150 miles as a first car for the family! And I live in a rural area to boot. In four years, I drove almost 50k miles on it, including long round trips. I just got used to how to manage things and it has been more than OK. I recently got a Kia EV6."
Thomas Mc Cann: "I let my battery drop to 50% and then top up to 80%. Eighty percent is better for the battery apparently. I previously had a BMW i3. This had a small BMW motorcycle engine which cut in when the battery got low, to recharge the battery enough for 40 more miles. I never suffered range anxiety."
Polestar 4 EV
Craig Beyers: "When I lived in a single-family home and commuted ~40 miles round trip for work, an EV would have been logical for transportation, except for the several 500+ miles round trip trips each year. Now, when I’m retired and live in an apartment, an EV isn’t very logical—and I have the same long trips. Why? I can’t install a charger at my apartment and would have to drive to a charger, plug in, wait for the charge, and pay retail for electricity. I could cope with long-distance by driving two hours, taking a break, including charging, and continuing on. Charging time would extend my trip but not onerously. I’d still have to pay retail for electricity, but the cost would be tolerable. Purchasing an EV to replace a paid-for gas vehicle also doesn’t make sense. So, while I’d like an EV, there’s no logical reason to buy one. I’m both disappointed and relieved."
Tim McGowan: "Congratulations. Thoughts become Actions. Updates—we need progress reports. Will this help you get out and do more photography?"
Mike replies: tl;dr version: Yes. For the longer version, it's complicated, so I think the full answer should be reserved for a future post.
John Kauk: "Congratulations on the EV purchase, Mike. I hope you enjoy the experience. I've driven an EV since 2018, beginning with a Tesla Model 3, which I traded recently for a Rivian R1S. EVs are great for day-to-day, and I find them really good for travel as well."
Scott: "My wife has had her electric vehicle for more than 1 1/2 years, and hasn’t visited a public charging station ever. She loves not having to stop to refuel, as one does with ICE vehicles. She just plugs the car in whenever it needs a charge, in our garage. The car gets a bit over 300 miles (~500km) on a charge, so we could do more driving than I ever want to do in a day with only one stop. Of course, if you don’t have a garage or other private parking, you will need to use public charging stations. I was in London last month and in some residential areas,the streetlights have been outfitted with outlets which can be used to charge your car."
james wilson: "My RAV4 plug-in hybrid is the answer. I drive all-electric in town and have the gas engine for long trips or when I forget to plug in. It is fast. Loads of power at a touch of the pedal at any speed. My battery range is about 40 miles but I rarely stomp on the pedal. YMMV."
Mike replies: PHEVs are simultaneously the best of both worlds and the worst of both worlds. That's a longer subject too. Of course they probably make the most sense right now. I started this journey looking at hybrids. I absolutely loved the new Honda Civic Hybrid, which is essentially an electric car with an Atkinson-cycle engine as a generator and for direct drive in the final highway gear. It's actually a transmissionless vehicle. It can get 60 MPG if you read owners' reports. And I can attest that the interior is a decided step up from Toyota's competition.
Daniel: "A major slice of the car-owning population is always left out of these discussions. Car owners who don’t have a personal garage in front of their homes to park and charge the car. People who live in apartments and cities. In America this may be a minority, but it’s a big minority. What is the solution for these millions of people to charge their vehicles?"
Mike replies: Writ much larger, this is very much like the transition to digital cameras. At first, skepticism, concern and puzzlement were widespread and significantly justified. But the broader landscape today (smartphones for 60% of the world's population) is radically different than even the most passionate of pioneer adopters were envisioning in the 1990s. I suspect this will echo in the EV transition as well. Certainly we will not be burning oil derivatives at the point of use for transportation in 2100, or even 2050. But I'm not deluded enough to think I can say what the situation will actually be then. When my dear friend and BTZS founder Phil Davis was nearing the end of his life, he said the thing he regretted most was that he didn't get to see what was going to happen. Ditto!
Ragnar Våga Pedersen: "Turning the car(d)s. Worth seeing."
Hyundai Ioniq 6 EV
Jeff Hohner: "You nailed it. When we got our EV (a 2024 Hyundai Kona EV) we rejoiced in its quiet, its acceleration and its economy. But the thing we found ourselves enjoying most about it was unexpected: no longer having to visit the gas station! We charge at home. At first, we charged with the level one charger that came with the car. Several months later we got a level two charger (a FLO Home X5 7.2kW). We run the car’s battery down to 20% as recommended by Hyundai, then charge it to 80%, again as recommended. The L2 charger does this easily overnight, even with the charger throttled back to 20 amps (the battery prefers slower charging). A setting in the car schedules charging to start at bedtime. If we’re getting close to 20%, we just plug the car in after coming home from work, and the car’s soft female voice intones, 'Charging scheduled.' We’re living in the future! as Talking Heads sang in 1977."
Peter Barnes: "You got it Mike. The ABC of charging EVs: Always Be Charging. Yes, ICE cars refuel fast, but you have to be there. EVs can do what ICE cars can't—refuel while unattended. You are home, your car is sitting in the carport/garage/driveway until you need it again tomorrow—plug it in. I have owned an EV for six years, no other vehicle. Can't remember having range anxiety. The only people I know with range anxiety are people thinking about buying an EV. None of my friends with EVs have it; it is a condition that seems to cure itself within days of the EV arriving."
David N (partial comment): "Mr. Johnston, I don’t mind your EV articles at all. You study your off-topics and have what I consider a good approach. Maybe I missed a post, but please also consider the privacy invasiveness of new cars generally, if you haven’t already. They are rolling surveillance machines that record and broadly distribute data about you and your driving. Round about a year ago Mozilla Foundation published a study on it."
Mr Pak Ming Wan: "I rented an EV in California for the first time earlier this year. I too expressed range anxiety with the rental car assistant, but he said to me this: 'You will see that in California an EV is more convenient than you might imagine.' He was right.
"But what I found surprising was the change in social habits, as you mention. Parents would drive to charging stations in the evening with their kids and watch Netflix with them whilst charging. Shops had chargers as a destination for customers—I got into the habit of combining my visits to CVS and Target with charging. The office had charging stations so going to work was charging too. It was really a low lift to go electric there."
Mike replies: For some of these reasons, a few months ago Walmart announced a heavy commitment to installing its own charging stations in Walmart and Sam's Club parking lots. Their hope is to equal the largest network—Tesla's Supercharger network—in five years, which took Tesla 15 years to do. (Read a short statement of Walmart's purpose by John Higham, Electrical Vehicle Association Board Member.)
Jimmy Reina: "Living in California, we probably have a distorted perception of the availability of charging stations, but my own conclusions are...the market will deliver. No 19th-century capitalist worth their salt ever said, 'Wow look at all these gasoline filling stations, maybe we should invent a horseless carriage powered by an internal combustion engine.' This is not a chicken/egg situation, but a 'necessity is the mother of invention' situation. Having said that, there has always been range anxiety. In the early days of the automobile, it was not uncommon to see a can of fuel mounted on the fender or running board."
Frank Hamsher (partial comment): "Your comments are spot on. We have 2.5 years of experience driving an EV. In that entire time, the only time we have had to use a public charge station was while we were waiting to have a dedicated mains power socket installed in our garage so that we could charge the car without risking an overload on other house circuits. [...] Primary emotion: LOL as we drive by the petrol stations! I calculate that we are saving A$1,500 per year."
Walfredo Cirne (partial comment): "Please keep writing OT topics you are highly interested in, Mike. They are fun to read. Let me offer you one suggestion to research. Consider an e-bike. Not as replacement for your car. But in addition to it."
Gary Merken: "I'm thinking of the times I drove from southwest Connecticut to northeast Florida in one day. A distance of about 980 miles. Leaving Greenwich at 5:45 a.m., I would never had made Jacksonville by 9:15 p.m. if I'd had to stop for 45 minutes two or three times along the way to recharge."
Andrew: "Never going to a gas station is the best thing about an electric (or plug-in hybrid) car. This is why I think you should try an L1 charger before worrying about an L2 charger. If a slow trickle is sufficient to top you of overnight, then why bother getting a faster charger? Will you even notice if it finishes charging a few hours earlier?"
Mike replies: I'll be doing that at first. I get the car tomorrow (Monday the 4th), and my electrician can't come install the 240v outlet until early September. (Tradesmen are hard to get up here.) So I'll be Level 1 for a month or so. (For anyone who hasn't been following along, Level 1 is sourcing power from an ordinary 120v household outlet, like the kind in your living room.)
schralp: "You hit the nail on the head; best thing about an EV is always having a 'full' tank—actually, 80–90% for best battery hygiene. I got mine in 2018 and rarely care about range. The key when you do take a road trip is to stop for brief top offs in the 20–80% range where they charge the fastest. I rarely stop for more than 10 minutes. Again though that is a tiny minority of my use case. Never going to the gas station is awesome and the electricity is a bargain compared to gas."
[Thanks to all commenters, featured and not.]
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